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	<title>Comments on: What are the REAL web analytics tools?</title>
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		<title>By: Mishel Arden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mishel Arden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there are great analytics tool out there, but only few can compete against the big guys (Omniture, Coremetrics, Webtrends) and I have found another one called Personyze. I think Personyze helps you do what the other do, but in much lower price overall, check it out: http://personyze.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there are great analytics tool out there, but only few can compete against the big guys (Omniture, Coremetrics, Webtrends) and I have found another one called Personyze. I think Personyze helps you do what the other do, but in much lower price overall, check it out: <a href="http://personyze.com" rel="nofollow">http://personyze.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Romuald Deloumeaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romuald Deloumeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article ! I completely agree with you. 

We need many tools and above all, other disciplines. It&#039;s difficult here in France to create synergy between Analytics and UX, SEO, SEM, etc.

I&#039;m not yet an Analytics ninja but I&#039;m working on it. Thanks to your articles, it&#039;s easier for me ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article ! I completely agree with you. </p>
<p>We need many tools and above all, other disciplines. It&#8217;s difficult here in France to create synergy between Analytics and UX, SEO, SEM, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not yet an Analytics ninja but I&#8217;m working on it. Thanks to your articles, it&#8217;s easier for me <img src='http://www.atlantaanalytics.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: evanlapointe</title>
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		<dc:creator>evanlapointe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, no &quot;might&quot; about it! Sales, personality, enthusiasm, positivity, cultural fit, ability to adapt to the audience in front of you are all necessary, but I fear not all of these (among the other necessary qualities and skills) can be taught or learned. I&#039;d love to be proven wrong, but that&#039;s why I left them out. The ones here can be learned if you stretch your mind and appreciate other viewpoints, which is something we as an industry are strangely excellent at (it&#039;s how we arrive at conclusions!). But you are right about finance, I missed that one big time (thinking it was tacit in cash flow).

Charisma will go a long way, and that&#039;s why hiring a good fit is so important, but charisma (and its spinoff plusses) can be tough to bring to those without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, no &#8220;might&#8221; about it! Sales, personality, enthusiasm, positivity, cultural fit, ability to adapt to the audience in front of you are all necessary, but I fear not all of these (among the other necessary qualities and skills) can be taught or learned. I&#8217;d love to be proven wrong, but that&#8217;s why I left them out. The ones here can be learned if you stretch your mind and appreciate other viewpoints, which is something we as an industry are strangely excellent at (it&#8217;s how we arrive at conclusions!). But you are right about finance, I missed that one big time (thinking it was tacit in cash flow).</p>
<p>Charisma will go a long way, and that&#8217;s why hiring a good fit is so important, but charisma (and its spinoff plusses) can be tough to bring to those without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Evan. You definitely bring out the salient points to be successful in this space. But as Jim mentions,I think one of the oft missed point is that one of the most important factors has nothing to do with analytics but more about empathy &amp; understanding. 

You can have the best tool, and can also be very good at sythesizing information but at the end of the day, one will have to do a lot of &quot;talking&quot;, &quot;selling&quot;, &quot;persuading&quot; etc. to prove to others how they can benefit from your Ninja status.


Also, in many cases logic and rational sometimes does not make a dent :-), so one might also have to be well-versed in a little finance to prove the ROI from the web analytic efforts.

Regards,
Ned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Evan. You definitely bring out the salient points to be successful in this space. But as Jim mentions,I think one of the oft missed point is that one of the most important factors has nothing to do with analytics but more about empathy &amp; understanding. </p>
<p>You can have the best tool, and can also be very good at sythesizing information but at the end of the day, one will have to do a lot of &#8220;talking&#8221;, &#8220;selling&#8221;, &#8220;persuading&#8221; etc. to prove to others how they can benefit from your Ninja status.</p>
<p>Also, in many cases logic and rational sometimes does not make a dent <img src='http://www.atlantaanalytics.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , so one might also have to be well-versed in a little finance to prove the ROI from the web analytic efforts.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ned</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sterne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Sterne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! 

I was presenting on this topic at an eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit in Munich. I explained that one really needs to know the over-arching business goals first and the individual department goals next, and the specific campaign goals next and it would really help if you know how each person you are trying to influence is compensated so you can show them how your analysis can help them. 

At this point, one of the attendees, looking rather incredulous, asked, &quot;You mean, in addition to knowing all about web analytics, I have to know how the whole company works and how people do their jobs?&quot; 

I replied, &quot;Only if you want to be successful.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! </p>
<p>I was presenting on this topic at an eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit in Munich. I explained that one really needs to know the over-arching business goals first and the individual department goals next, and the specific campaign goals next and it would really help if you know how each person you are trying to influence is compensated so you can show them how your analysis can help them. </p>
<p>At this point, one of the attendees, looking rather incredulous, asked, &#8220;You mean, in addition to knowing all about web analytics, I have to know how the whole company works and how people do their jobs?&#8221; </p>
<p>I replied, &#8220;Only if you want to be successful.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright Grumpy, I&#039;ll bite.  

Communication skills; both verbal and written are critical (RE: Jim&#039;s &#039;sales skills&#039;). 

Discipline. By that I mean; decide to make changes, advancements, tests or optimizations for strategic reasons and stick to your guns. Data you can&#039;t wont use is a waste of analytical time ($). Always ask &#039;why&#039; (in a productive way not in an ass way) so to be sure efforts align towards the goal. 

Leadership. Provide team members with problems/challenges not solutions. It&#039;s the only way to get them to advanced degrees. (For example: This is crap, &quot;Change the headline and button color to red!&quot; This is leadership, &quot;OMG! Our bounce rate is increasing!&quot;)

Don&#039;t rely too much on technology. It sounds weird but experience is the real currency. As they say...a hammer cannot swing itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright Grumpy, I&#8217;ll bite.  </p>
<p>Communication skills; both verbal and written are critical (RE: Jim&#8217;s &#8216;sales skills&#8217;). </p>
<p>Discipline. By that I mean; decide to make changes, advancements, tests or optimizations for strategic reasons and stick to your guns. Data you can&#8217;t wont use is a waste of analytical time ($). Always ask &#8216;why&#8217; (in a productive way not in an ass way) so to be sure efforts align towards the goal. </p>
<p>Leadership. Provide team members with problems/challenges not solutions. It&#8217;s the only way to get them to advanced degrees. (For example: This is crap, &#8220;Change the headline and button color to red!&#8221; This is leadership, &#8220;OMG! Our bounce rate is increasing!&#8221;)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t rely too much on technology. It sounds weird but experience is the real currency. As they say&#8230;a hammer cannot swing itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Evan,

Killer post.  I totally agree that unless you have a basic understanding of all the moving pieces it is impossible to create change.  I wish I had the developer chops though, it definitely makes it a must to have technical people I can trust.

One thing I think might be interesting to add to your PhD criteria would be sales skills.  I have always felt that having a background in sales has made it easier to understand the important steps in the persuasion process, and therefore the most critical data to focus on.  Sales skills also make it easier to sell your information up to the HiPPOs too....

Cheers,

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Evan,</p>
<p>Killer post.  I totally agree that unless you have a basic understanding of all the moving pieces it is impossible to create change.  I wish I had the developer chops though, it definitely makes it a must to have technical people I can trust.</p>
<p>One thing I think might be interesting to add to your PhD criteria would be sales skills.  I have always felt that having a background in sales has made it easier to understand the important steps in the persuasion process, and therefore the most critical data to focus on.  Sales skills also make it easier to sell your information up to the HiPPOs too&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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